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Charcoal Burning BBQ Grill Smoker Pit Temperature Controller, 600' Remote, WIFI
Charcoal-Burning-BBQ-Grill-Smoker-Pit-Temperature-Controller-600-Remote-WIFI
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Brand:

WANG

Output:

PID 5 to 12 v dc

Material:

Aluminum

No. of Probe:

2

Main Color:

Silver

Programmable:

yes

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eBay list price is for Wolf+Fan+50 CFM Fan Adapter A or C, AC/DC Adapter 12VDC 5amps, Ex-works US$128

WOLF does not have wireless remote control, no WIFI. If you want later, you need to pay for it accordingly. 

12VDC, 50CFM Fan, Dual Probes, Programmable, 4 Temperature stages, PID Variable Voltage Output

Wolf+Fan+50 CFM Fan Adapter A or C
AC/DC Adapter 12VDC 5amps 
Ex-works US$128 
SAL mail cost $30
Dual Probes, one for pit, the other for meat. 
Programmable 4 temperature stages. 
PID output to control speed of blower, in turn pit temperature. 
Common controller simply turns on or off the blower. The PID can control speed of blower stepless, temperature fluctuation can be as less as 1F. 
Also you can set maximum output of a blower. a 50 CFM blower will fit all pit.

Following is a real case 
As there are too many data to input, better to write down on paper. 
Stage I, 140F , 240 Minutes, low temperature Alarm 130F, high temperature alarm 150F 
Stage II, 160F, 120 Minutes, low temperature Alarm 150F, high temperature alarm 170F 
Stage III, 170F, 60 Minutes, low temperature Alarm 160F, high temperature alarm 180F 
Stage IV, 200F, 30 Minutes, low temperature Alarm 190F, high temperature alarm 210F 
Whenever meat reaches 150F, it will keep 150F for 60 minutes, then keep meat temperature at 130F forever. 
During full course, the pit temperature is limied under 210F .You will never worry about overburn of your meat.

You can choice display in F or C.

If you are familiar with PID thermostat, you can do your own settings of other parameters. In case you set all parameters in mess, you can reset to original settings.

If you want to have strength of fire by your eyes or your experience, you can simply press Auto/Man button to use manual mode. Simply by pressing "+" or "-" button, you adjust speed of blower and in turn strength of fire. Operational Manual will help you understand more clearly


Tiger+Fan+50CFM Fan Adapter A or C
AC/DC Adapter 12VDC 5amps 
Ex-works US$188 
SAL mail cost $30
Tiger is wireless remote controlled. Handy set can monitor and CONTROL the base controller in your yard while you stay at home during freezing winter or hot summer season or it is raining. Effective distance is 200 meters or 600 feet. Optional showing in F or C. Programming pit temperature or meat temperature, optional automatic control or manual control. manual adjustment of fan speed when manual mode, High/Low pit temperature alarm. Optional Battery saving mode or Alarm mode. All these functions can be done from remote handy set

LION +Fan+50CFM Fan Adapter A or C
AC/DC Adapter 12VDC 5amps 
Ex-works US$228 
SAL mail cost $30
Lion is WIFI type. It can be connected to Internet. You can monitor and control your smoker in you backyard while you are sitting at your office. Or you can join your competiton team while your team is in Kansas and you are sitting at office in Australia.


DOG+10 CFM FAN+ 
Fan Adapter A or C
AC/DC adapter 12VDC 5A,ps 
Ex-Works US$79. 
SAL mail cost US$20
DOG PACKAGE DOG is a simplified model of WOLF. One probe, one output. AC/DC Adapter 12 VDC 5 Amps. Digital Programmable PID SSR output 12 VDC 2 Amps. 4 temperature stages, high/low temperature alarm, C- F option..Fan 10 CFM. Optional 50 CFM. You can define maxmium and minimium speed of fan by changing parameters of UDC and HDC. This way you can use 50CFM fan as 10 CFM fan when used in a smaller smoker. Operational Manual


Mechanical Thermostat+ 
AC/DC Adapter 12VDC 2amps 
10CFM fan & Adapter A or C 
Ex-works price US$40 
SAL mail cost US$10
Most Affordable BBQ Power Draft Controller consists of a mechanical thermostat, fan, and an AC/DC adapter with stepless voltage output. You can tune speed of fan manually depending on size and target temperature of your smoker/grill. Mechanical thermostat is effected by wind, sunshine, shade ect. You may need to hand tune the thermostat a few times. It will save you big time when ligthing charcoal or adding fuels.Click to view video how the mechanical thermostat works. One cup is hot water, the other cup is ice and water

 
Fan Adapter A; US$15 
Adapter A is attached 
to fire box by 4 bolts 
or spring
 
Fan adapter C, US$15 
a female couple is 
weld on fire box
 
Fan Adapter B US$30 
For Ceramic Pit 
same flange size as 
original slider on 
air inlet
 
Fan Adapter D US$30 
For Weber series
 
System is Rainproof 
Corrugated Pipe System: 
Controller, fan, AC/DC 
adapter are placed in 
a transparent plastic box 
a 1" corrugated pipe links 
fan and the fire box
 
Pipe size 1" dia.x3'feet 
Adapters A B D.for different pit 
Pipe+ Adapter A $40 
Pipe+ Adapter B $50 
Pipe+ Adapter D $50
 
System is Rainproof 
Stainless Steel Box to 
hold controller, fan 
AC/DC adapter. SS box 
has Adapter A, B, C,or D 
attach to fire box directly
 
SS Box+adapter A or C US$50 
SS Box+adapter B or US$60 
SS Box+adapter D or US$60

GOLDEN-RHINO: 
Universal Multi Purpose Thermostat Temperature controller, PID, Programmable 8 Phases 
for Crock Pot Slow Rice Cooker Sous-vide, Electrical Smoker to control heating element, Charcoal Burning Smoker to control a 110-240VAC fan directly or a 12 VDC fan via an AC/DC adapter , making yogurt, proofing dough, control the temperature of a table top toaster oven, converting a freezer to a low temperature incubator for beer formation or sour dough yeast storage.
Specifications
Input voltage:                         80 to 260 VAC 50 /60 Hz
Output voltage:                        Same as the input voltage SSR.
Maximum Current:                       10A for long working time
Control Action:                        Heating or cooling 
Control Mode                           PID, PI, PD P or On/off
Self Tuning:                           Self determine parameters of P,I,D.
Sensor type:                           Three conductors Pt100 RTD sensor
Sensor tip dimensions:                 4 mm diameter x 50 mm long.
Sensor cable length,                   6 ft (2 meters)
Alarm:                                 High /Low Temperature 
Alarm ON/Off button                    Neighbour Friendly
Temperature accuracy:                  1°C (1°F)
Temp.Phase:                            1 to 8 phases up to your programming 
Timing:                                Count Down, or Accumulated 
Temp. Rising Alarm                     If too long from one phase to rise to next
                                       phase, it will alarm                                     
Dimension:                             6"x6"x4" inch (150 x150x100mm) 
                             
 
 
Ex-Works RHINO only $99 
SAL mail cost $20
 
 
Application#1: 
For stick smoker 
Rhino,50 CFM Fan, Fan Adapter A or C, 
AC/DC adapter 12 VDC 5 AMPS 
Package Price $118 
SAL mail cost $30
 
 
Application #2, 
Sous Vide with rice cooker 
Temp.display in F
 
Application #3, 
Used with electric oven 
Instead of control temp. 
of oven, you can control 
temp. of MEAT itsself by 
inserting probe in MEAT
 
Back View 
Application,#4 
I do not have electric smoker 
You can plug cord of electric 
smoker to GOLDEN-RHINO, then 
you will have precise control
Pros and Conds: Basic function of Rhino is same as DOG. But DOG is 12 VDC while RIHNO is 80-260 VAC 10A, RHINO can be used for sous vide, stick smoker, electric smoker ect. DOG is used only for stick smoker. Output of DOG is variable voltage and maximum speed of fan can be defined by software. a Big fan can suit smokers of different size. Output of RHINO is SSR. Different sizes of smoker may need different fan. For your information most ATCs on the smoker market are SSR.

Golden-Elephant is upgraded model of RHINO. Dual probes with WIFI. Basic function is same as the LION. but 80-260 VAC, 10 amps. Low/High temperature Alarm, Alarm On/Off option. Pit has 4 temperature stages. When meat reaches to target temperature, meat probe will take over control of smoker. This feature can let you adopt concept of Sous Vide to smoking Brisket. Say you can set smoker temperature at 225 F, when brisket reaches to 140 F, you can keep Brisket at 140 F for 10 hours, or 24 hours or even 72 hours. For such long smoking time, electrical smoker may be the first option. To add flavor of wood smoking, you can place a smoke generator inside your electrical smoker. Talk to computer is very simple by WIFI. Just plug and play. No setting of computer is needed.
 
Front View
 
Back View
 
Computer Control
 
Sous Vide With
 
Slow/Rice Cooker
 
For Electrical Oven
 
Better for brisket
 
Link Elephant to Computer 
simply Plug and Play 
#1.Find WIFI ICON 
and double click "view" 
to find all WIFIs available
 
Double Click 
Golden-Elephant
 
Golden-Elephant 
connected
 
type in browser 
192.168.1.15 
You find this page
 
Cilck temperature Setting 
Type In User Name "admin" 
and Password "000000"
 
Program Elephant here 
Pit and Meat temp. 
showing in F or C 
Stop/Start
 
Advanced Application 
Access Elephant to Internet 
via Router 
IT knowledge is needed
Applications 
#1: electrical Smoker/Oven 
#2.Sous Vide with Slow Cooker 
#3. Charcoal Smoker with 
fan and AC/DC adapter 
#4.making yogurt, 
#5.proofing dough 
#6.beer formation or 
#7.sour dough yeast storage.

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Controls the smoker add a constant, Works great Buyer: sshaft ( 14)   Jan-05-13 18:35

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A review posted  by an Canadian buyer, posted on March 15,2012
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Folks,

I just received my WiFi unit a couple days ago. Breif review below to help others get going with this unit and I'll provide more detail later.

- First off, as others have stated the PID parameters are very good - pit temperature control is as good as I've seen Fan quality and volume is very good. The air volume from the fan at 100% is actually far to much for the 'average' backyard pit. Without testing, I suspect this fan would be more than sufficient for a large competition pit. I find that setting the maximum fan speed to 65% is about right for my purposes.

- There are a few really good features to note quickly. First, it will remember exactly where it was in it's cooking program (i.e. what stage, temp, and time) in the event of a power loss. As soon as power was restored, it will begin exactly where it left off - no reprogramming the cooking cycle necessary. The meat probe is very good - and the ability to "hold" a meat temperature after the cooking cycle is a great feature at such a low price point. Last feature to note is manual fan control to bring the pit temperature up to target VERY quickly.

A few details before we begin.

- The fan is surprisingly high volume and the controller does demand a considerable start-up current if the fan is set at the default 100% maximum rate. I would suggest either a 2-3A 12V adapter or a small gel cell battery combined with a smaller battery charge controller. The latter would be preferential for 'critical' cooking as you effectively have battery backup in addition to the battery acting as a 'buffer' to supply the extra current needed when the fan first starts up.

- For those living in one of the last 2 countries on the planet that still think in Fahrenheit (I'm Canadian - so I'm bilingual - C/F - makes no difference to me). Press and hold the Set1 buton for 3 seconds. The display will change from showing the pit current/set value to setup mode. The first setup parameter is F-C - which allows you to change the display from degrees C to degrees F. The default is 0000 which will display temperatures in degrees C. Pressing the + button will change the display to 0001 which display temperatures in degrees F.

- while your in setup mode, you might want to set the max fan speed a bit lower unless you have a very large pit. In setup mode, pressing the Set1 button will move the display to the next setup parameter. The fourth parameter is HdC which is the maximum fan speed expressed as a percentage of max. Default value is 100%, I'd suggest setting this down to 70% as a good starting point.

- More info on the other parameters later.

Now, onto WiFi details:

When the controller starts up for the first time, it will be in AdHoc networking mode. Meaning that it will not attempt to join an existing network but will rather just appear as a standalone device that you can connect to with any WiFi enabled client device (laptop, phone, tablet, etc.). The AdHoc networking mode would be useful if you were traveling with your bbq and your home network was unavailable. You could then easily monitor with just your WiFi enabled phone wherever you were.

However, for a permanent home installation, the initial AdHoc mode is really just to allow you to configure the device to join an existing network.

First off, you should note the IP details that your laptop currently has when connected to your home network. The three parameters your looking for are IP address, subnet mask, and default gateway. Note these somewhere for use later on. For those a bit more network saavy, what we're really looking for is an IP address that is outside of the normal DHCP range of your router that we can later assign to the controller. We'll also need this "open" address to set up port forwarding in the router/firewall if we want to access the controller from the internet.

Next step will be to note the exact name of your wireless network (SSID) and the method used for authentication - i.e. how does your network expect to see the wireless password? I would strongly recommend setting your wireless network to "open" or security/authentication "disabled" temporarily - much easier to start simple and add the security later.

Also, it will be much easier at this stage if you unplug or disable your home network's wireless AP or router.

That's it for preparation. Now we'll need to set the wireless adapter on your client device (laptop, phone, etc.) to a static IP address as follows:

IP: 192.168.1.16
Subnet mask: 255.255.255.0
Default Gateway: 192.168.1.15

If you are unfamilliar with how to set a static IP on your device, Google has the answers.

Next, power up the PID controller and on your client device initiate a scan for available wireless networks. You should soon see a new network available called "GOLDEN-LION" that is open (i.e., requires no password).

Connect to this network and use Internet Explorer to connect to http://192.168.1.15:1080. While you can use any browser to configure the wireless portion of the controller, at this point only Internet Explorer has been reliably working for me to see the actual pit temperatures/stages.

Once you've successfully loaded the Wireless Settings page, the first thing you'll want to do is change the name of the controllers wireless network to match that of your home network. If you've followed my recommendation, there will be no password to enter as you've disabled passwords for your home network (temporarily). Save this setting and the controller will restart. If you scan for new wireless networks, and your home network is turned off, then you should see the controller come up using the same name as your home network - but in AdHoc mode.

Connect again to the controller and now you'll be setting it's IP address to a static or fixed value that matches the format for your home network. Set the gateway and subnet mask to the same values as your laptop had when it was on your home network - and make sure you choose an IP for the controller that is unique. Save these settings again, and again the controller will re-boot.

This time, you'll need to change the IP of your laptop to a new static address that matches the format of your home network. I.e., if your home network has an IP address format of 192.168.0.x, and you've just set the controller to 192.168.0.99 because you are sure it's not in use, then you'll need to set your laptop to something like 192.168.0.98. This is just temporary for this last step.

Using Internet Explorer, connect again to the NEW address of the controller on port 1080. In the example above, this would be http://192.168.0.99:1080.

The last step is in the Advanced Settings area where we'll want to set the network mode to "Infra" rather than "AdHoc". This tells the controller to join the existing network that we set up earlier rather than creating it's own. Before you hit save, go back and plug or re-enable your home's wireless network. Save the controllers settings and it should reboot and join your home network!

Before you try to connect to it, you should restore your laptops normal settings - which is likely to have an IP address assigned to it automaticly via DHCP from your router rather than a 'manual' static address that we've been using for setup. Connect your laptop back to your home wireless network and confirm that the controller is online at the address you've set. I prefer confirming by going directly to the wireless settings page on port 1080, but if you wish you can skip this step and go directly to the PID controller page on the 'standard' port 80.

Again, for me the only browser that properly displayed the controller parameters is Internet Explorer - Chrome displayed the static text but did not run the JavaScript properly and would not display temperatures.

In the release of firmware that I have, you can only view temperatures and not actually control anything. I'm sure this is not the intended final feature set - and if someone knows something that I don't, please let me know. I'm trying to get some details on actually CONTROLLING the pit via WiFi from the developer.

If you get to this point successfully, then making the controller visible on the internet is a relatively simple matter of configuring port forwarding on your router. A lesson for another day.

Final Comments:

- Bottom line is that the PID controller and fan end of the product functions remarkable well for the price point. I would buy one again without hesitation.
- However, the WiFi end of the product is very new and needs a lot more polish to make it what I'd really like to see. I'm confident that all these issues can be solved with just a new firmware release and some good documentation - we'll see how quickly this can be achieved.
- if you're not an avid network 'hobbiest' and don't have the patience to wait for some of the WiFi features to get smoothed out, I'd stick with the "tiger" model with the wireless remote.



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Here is my review of the controller. I set my temperature at 250, and it was keeping it at that temperature throughout my test on a potato.
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Dear trustedinventer,

Hello Wang, it was one of the battery posts. I am really impressed with the design of everything and can't wait to show my friends. I will send you pictures of my final smoker when I finish fabrication and assembly. I will be using something around the size of what we call a Chinese Duck smoker but insulated very well to compensate for its size. Thank you, Gregory

Also, I will leave you excellent feedback on ebay!


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As someone who does business in China, Be afraid, be very afraid. For starters it is probably not up to US safety standards (electrical).

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The post regarding safety has no merit, and no basis to support such a statement. 

I'm no electrician, but I'm not sure how you could start a fire in a sealed metal box smaller that a 4"x4" electrical box with 12 volts, no oxygen, and no fuel, and the whole unit is grounded.....

I had another chance to run my unit on a 7 hour pork butt cook, and it worked great. I started my fire and used the manual setting to get my smoker up to temp. Like Wang stated, you can crank up the fan in manual mode, and it's pushing 50+cfm on high. I ran it at about 30% and was at temp in no time. This is a huge time saver. I run a chargriller which can be a pain to get up to temp. I normally waste an hour+ getting it stabalized. That is no longer a problem now. I also love the fact that when I forget to put in wood and the temp drops (when I fall asleep), I can throw some wood in and put it on manual to get back up to temp. I forgot to add wood about 4 times since having the controller and it's amazing how fast I can get back up to temp.

A small 12 volt adapter will not be enough to run this unit. If your not using a solid 12 volt gel cell battery you need a power supply of atleast 2-4 amps. I am using a laptop power supply which is 4 amp output and it struggles if the fan is on high. Because of the fan's power draw, (which is fine, I'd rather have a big fan than a 5 or 10 cfm whimpy fan) you need a good power supply. The laptop supply is not made for constant output.

I'm going to convert a atx computer power supply to a bench power supply and use that to run everything. Will have enough spare power to run some lights and a radio too. (5 bucks at radio shack and a youtube tutorial).

For a battery, a the standard 7ah battery for a vexilar fish locator will work awesome. They run about 16-20 bucks at sporting goods stores. I just like tinkering, and I sold my vexilar with my spare batteries.
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Following is cited from www.bbq-brethren.com on Feb.22,2012

 My review of the Golden Tiger

I posted this review in Q-talk but I am also putting it here so it doesn't get lost.

So, as some of you may know, there is a vendor who is a member of this forum that lives in China. He makes PID controllers and sells them on Ebay. Obviously there was some concern with this arrangement and a good discussion in a thread found here. Another forum member purchased the base model and has a review within the thread above. After being involved with that thread and seeing that the seller had genuine intentions and was eager to help, even with a language barrier, I decided to take a chance and ordered the model called the Tiger that comes with a remote. I am glad I did. Granted, I have only had one cook so far and it was a short rib cook. However, I was truly impressed with what I got for a substantial amount less than some of the other controller products out there.

First, here are some of the main features of the base unit. It has a Manual mode where you can adjust the fan speed with the + and - buttons. The fan blows constantly at whatever speed you want. I found this very nice for bringing the UDS up to temp. Then there is Auto mode. This mode can be kind of complex at first but with a little playing I quickly figured it out. In Auto mode there are 4 program sets for the pit temp and one set for the meat temp. For the pit sets, you set the target pit temp, the duration you want that set to run, the high temp alarm and the low temp alarm. This multi-set feature will really be handy when I want to do a hot and fast brisket. I usually like to start the cook at lower temps and then ramp up the temps. With this module I can set it to cook at 225 for an hour or whatever and then go straight up to higher temps or even makes stops along the way for various amounts of time. Now, if you just want to do a simple cook like I did with the ribs, you just set the target temp on the following set to 0 and only the previous set(s) are run in the program. As for the meat set, I have not really played with it so I am only speaking from what I read on the seller's manual but you can set a target meat temp and the controller will adjust the cooker to hold the meat at a certain temp instead of watching the pit temps. If you do not want this feature then again, like with the pit sets, you just set the target temp to 0. 

For the remote, the controls are pretty much the same. The only thing you cannot do with the remote is control the fan speed in Manual mode but you can switch from Auto to Manual. Everything else can be done including programming your pit and meat sets. I will describe more about the remote as we go through the pics.

As for everything else, the fan looks decent and came with the pipe nipple adapter that I requested. Not only can I just attach this directly to the ball valve on the UDS but I can also run a hose as you will see in the pics. The probes were a little confusing and I will discuss them more later but I do not have any major concerns at this point at least.

I know I will be forgetting some stuff so please ask any questions if you have them. I actually took notes on my thoughts as I did stuff both during the unboxing and the cook but I have no idea where I put them 

So here we are. This is everything that came in the box. As you can see, there is the fan, two probes, the remote, the power connection, the PID unit and an antenna. I placed a couple of quarters around for a size comparison.





Now, I feel I should point out the following blemishes to be true and fair. On the main unit there were some slight scratches or abrasions. On the end you can see where a drill bit walked a bit as he was building the unit. On the remote, there are some tiny particles between the LED screen and the outer plastic. While these may look pretty bad in the photos, they really aren't a bother at all. Plus, you have to remember that this is a guy who does this as a hobby and the product you get is a reflection of that. In no way would I let these minor defects affect my recommendation for this product in any way.





Here is a better look at the fan and the adapter. One oddity on the adapter is one of the bolts sticks up a bit but that is of little concern. There is also a photo looking in the end of the adapter. There is actually a little metal flap that opens when the fan runs and closes when it turns off. However, this only happens if the fan is pointing up with the pipe at the top. Obviously this would be an issue when connecting it directly to the ball valve of a UDS. However, during my test cook, I left the fan laying flat where the flap would not close and I did not have any major issues with excess air getting in when the fan turned off. I do, however, plan to change my setup to better take advantage of this flap.





Here is the remote powered up. You can see that the particles are still visible but not that much of a distraction. It did not connect because the main unit was not powered up yet. You can adjust the backlight too.





Here is a look at the probes. I was a little confused by them at first. One has threads and a nut which I assumed was the pit probe. The other probe, however, is actually larger in diameter. Both have blunt ends which is also a bit different. The "meat" probe does have silicone filling the end but I might cover that with heat shrink tubing just to be extra careful.






Now, one thing to remember is that this requires a 12v power source. You can use a car battery or even a smaller rechargeable battery but I didn't have one handy. Luckily I did have an adjustable power converter which put out 12v so that is what I used to power it up. One note about this and I will update when I get a chance to try this with a battery. When the fan is blowing at its max speed, the low battery light flashes and the warning beeps. This can get a little annoying.



Here are some pics of it powered up and running. This was in my kitchen so I set the temps low to do some testing.






Here are some images of the remote in the act of setting the programming sets.




And here is an overall photo of the whole setup connected and running.



So, on Saturday I decided to run up to Lowe's to get a few things to make a compartment for all of this stuff. I picked up some little plastic shoe boxes, some pipe elbows and a 6ft hose with rubber adapters. This is designed to connect a dishwasher to a disposal but works perfectly for my application. Sorry for the horrible cell phone photos in this group as my camera battery was dead.






On Sunday, I decided to cook some ribs as a test run. Originally I really wanted to test this with a long cook of a butt or brisket but that will have to wait. So, here is everything packed in the box. this worked alright but I plan to change my setup soon as I did not really like how it all was crammed in there and the flap for the fan was not able to function correctly.




When it came time to put in the probes I was quickly reminded that I did not think it all through. The meat probe fit through the whole I had already drilled in the drum for my Maverick probes but I failed to think about how I would hold it on the grate. I used to have a wood block but I couldn't find it so I just winged it and let the probe rest on the grate with the tip over an open area. Unfortunately, the pit probe did not fit through the hole. Without major work, I decided to remove the brass air line coupling that I normally have in place to hold my Walmart turkey fryer thermometers. The hole was big enough to insert the probe and I used the nut on the inside to hold it in place. Since I was cooking ribs, I didn't care so much about the meat temp so I left both probes to monitor the pit temps. I used the meat probe that was lying on the rack as the pit temp probe for this cook as it was closer to the ribs and I was not using a diffuser. I ran the hose from the blower down to one of the intakes on the UDS that is normally capped.





Here is everything as it sat while the drum came up to temp. As you can see, this is quite bulky in this setup and that is another reason I plan to change the housings for the controller and blower.



As I mentioned before, I put the controller in Manual mode and let it run at full until the UDS reached 200*. Then I switched it to Auto mode with the target pit temp at 250*.



Here is the remote showing the temps, the program mode and the duration left. Since I was only cooking at a single temp the duration was set at 500 minutes.


Now for the fantastic pr0n  Sadly this is all I have  Right after I put the ribs on I got a call from my father inviting me over to his house for a last minute get together for my step-sister's birthday. I did not get a chance to get any in-progress photos and as soon as the ribs were done they came off and were wrapped for a rest and transport to my dad's. I can tell you that there were a hit even with that Foil Hat Rub that I used. I guess I will have to try that stuff again. The worst part is I only at 1 rib from the rack as a single rack goes quite fast in a room full of 7 people. On the bright side, everyone loved them so that is always nice too.




Overall, I am very pleased with this product. Granted, as I showed, there are some blemishes but no more than I will give it during its use. Everything worked as it was supposed to and even with the language barrier and the somewhat difficult to understand manual, I was up and running in no time. Now, there is still the obvious question as to its long term quality and reliability. I guess I will just have to cook more  To those that wonder why I needed a controller for a UDS, and I know someone will ask, the answer is I don't. I don't plan on using it for every cook as most of the time the UDS does just fine on its own. I do plan on using when I have all day or all night cooks. It will be nice to have that piece of mind knowing that it is taking care of the cooker and keeping it at the temp I want. Besides, it is such a cool little toy anyway.
Following is feedback from eBay buyer received on Feb.17,2012
To:  trustedinventer
From:  marvelwithtime
Sent:  Feb-17-12 00:13 AM
Dear trustedinventer,

I've been using the controller for some time and enjoy it. It's very nice. I do have a few questions about it though.

There comes a point during use where the unit continues to work fine but I cannot press buttons to readjust some settings. I would even switch the unit off and on but still the front buttons would not register anything, all the while as the unit continued to work as programmed. I believe it resets when I remove and reinsert the temperature gauges but cannot reproduce this event at will so I do not fully understand it. It is a little frustrating not understanding how and what is exactly going on.
Can you please explain what this is and how to use this feature?


Dealing with P1,T,P2,and P3. Does T begin to countdown at beginning of cook or as soon as meat reaches P1? Also, if unit is programmed to hold meat at P1 for 60 min, what will happen with the phases of the pit temps, will they be put on hold? Basically, please explain a bit more on this.

Thanks,
Jaime



FEEDBACK from American Customer:
Following feedback is cited from :   http://www.bbq-brethren.com/forum/showthread.php?t=123922&page=4

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So I started yesteray's cook. The goal was to cook 2 8# briskets that my neighbor brought back from a trip to Texas. This was my first attempt at a full brisket. I thought that they were full briskets. I believe that they were just large flats. The plan was to use the hot and fast method from a certain tv bbq personality.
The recipe calls for the meat to be smoked in a aluminum pan, and to cook/smoke at 350 degrees.
I started the fire in the sode firebox of my chargriller. Because the controller has a manual setting that runs the fan at full, I started the fire and used the manual setting to get up to temp. I just had to watch the temps as the fire was getting constant oxygen. I was using oak, cherry, and apple woods
I got up to temp with no problems. I put on both pans of meat and started the cook. The pans were probably too large and covered 90% of the cooking surface, limiting airflow. More on this later.
There was a post regarding temp verification. I verified the temp probes when I bought the unit using the outlet of my peller stove. I forgot to mention I also tested them in boiling water, switched the probes, and retested them. Mr chargriller as 4 thermometers stuck in it from previous use, as the factory thermometer on the main unit is about as usefull as a screen door on a submarine.
I was, and still am confident that the probes are accurate and work properly.
Back to my cook. As soon as I added the pans my temp dropped to 250 and I could not get it to rise. The controller was set to 350, and the fan was running. I had a huge fire and would have melted iron with it.
I was using a difusser, so I moved that to allow heat to get past a slot and into the main chamber faster, still no temp rise. Was maintaining 250, but I needed 350, wtf...
More double checking and then I figured it out. I had put in a mod to the exhaust stack using 2 3" flex elbows to get the grill to vent better. The end of the modded exhaust was stuck down in one of the pans when I closed the lid, cutting of the airflow. I pulled that off and smushed the pans to give me more airflow. Temps jumped to 350 and stayed there.
The briskets were done in 4 1/2 hours. Threw them in a cooler for another 4 hours. They turned out tender enough, but I was dissapointed with my first hot and fast attempt. It was not worthy of pics.
Now that I pulled off the meat, I ran the controller the rest of the day. I ran steady at 350, and fluctuation was always between 350-355. I flipped it to manual and ran it up to 400 degrees, and put it back on auto. I cooled back down, recovered, and ran at 350. I dropped it again to 250 and it cooled the grill and then ran at 250 without problems. My other temp guages were spot on. The factory unit read 150-160 degrees all day. That one will be ripped out this spring.... 
I'm a stickler for maintaining temps and this unit has proven itself, even if though I fell I screwed up on the cook.
The manual setting is a nice feature not really advertised. If you happen to take a nap during the cook and forget to throw on a log, you can do so, and then put the unit on manual and get back up to temp fast. Once back up to temp throw it back on auto and you're back on track. 
I researched some other threads regarding pid builds and their pid settings are consistent with the ones posted here, but I'm not going to mess with the factory settings until I full day during the spring or summer to just play with it. It's too cold to mess with it now. As it is it runs great and I don't see the need to tweak it.
So the question is, would I buy one again. Hell yes, and I will be getting the wireless version. Probably stick this one on my uds.
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I purchased one of these controllers, mostly based on the price and options. I was going to build my own pid controller, but this unit was only about 40 bucks more than I was going to invest on a single readout unit.
My cost for the golden-wolf with a fan and flange was $158.00. The duel readout made the difference over a single readout unit.

Shipping took about a week. I had a short delay due to some manufacturing problem during the new year week. My bad for ordering during the holidays. They threw in an extra temp sensor for the trouble.

I received the unit and started testing the with boiling water and with my pellet stove I use to heat my home. The temp controlls worked well. The fan unit is a 50 cfm fan, which is plenty for my chargriller and uds. The other controllers I looked at only had 5, 10, or 25 cfm motors, with the 35 cfm motor being $150+ just for the motor. Computer fans, which is what all these controllers on the market use, cost about a one dollar per cfm, so charging 180 dollars for a 25 cfm fan is highway robbery.

The unit can control the pit based on pit temp, or meat temp, or run a program that will do both. I just used the pit temp and ran the meat temp as a backup.
I used a 5 dollar electical box to attach it to my side firebox. I thought the higher cfm fan might be an issue, but I had no problems. The unit can also be adjusted so the fan does not run at 100%.
I threw on some counrty style ribs for a test, no reason to waste expensive meat. I had an initial spike when I started the cook, but after that the system ran better than expected, and kept temps where I set it. I forgot to add fuel and it dropped to 190. I threw on another hunk of wood and it recovered with the fan quickly.
I jumped the temps at the end and it changed and ran accurately without fail. Temps remained within 5 degrees and most of the time stayed dead on. My smoker is not air tight and I was using charcoal to start, then used apple and cherry wood.
I used a 4amp power supply because the fan is a 2 amp fan, but I would buy another one of these in a heartbeat.
The instructions are not the clearest, but I was able to figure them out. You can program 4 different cookings phases, but it was easy to turn them off and just run one program. 
There are high temp and low temp alarms, Setting them at extreme ranges eliminates them going off if you don't need them. 

I extended the fan wires to give me some more room to work with. I just used a small cooler to hold the unit for this test.

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I forgot to mention. My ribs turned out great. Was also my first time using Myron Mixon's rubs from his book. The ribs were so good I forgot to take pics. My bad, again... I'll be doing a brisket this weekend and will try to remember to get some pics.

I did not get any price drop or deal for my review, but I felt this was a decent product and half the cost of units with the same options.

The fact that you can run the pit and monitor the meat without having to buy another product was also a nice feature. The alarm is loud enough that once it goes off if you don't respond to it, your neighbors are sure to call you and let you know about it. It's not loud, but loud enough, not a bad thing.
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